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	<title>Comments on: Arcane Agricultural Subsidies and World Domination</title>
	<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2007/05/arcane-agricultural-subsidies-and-world-domination</link>
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		<title>by: mrb</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2007/05/arcane-agricultural-subsidies-and-world-domination#comment-16372</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jun 2007 17:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's not just the subsidies but the geneticly modified material involved in those largest food crops.  Corn has been thoroughly adulturated and it's progeny of corn starch into fructose syrups and dextrose means we're exposing ourselves to a grand experiment. Corn took thousands of years of human selection to become what it is now and we think we can poke and prod it with tiny needles, bacterial and virii in order to alter it's genetic code.  We think we can do so without consequence.  The same way we think we can control every symptom of disease with medicine, without incurring side effects.

What we are looking at is a thinning down of all true ingredients in order to create volume.  Most Peanut butter is full of partially hydrogenated vegetable oils where the peanuts used to be.  If it looks like the real stuff and smells like the real stuff then people imagine it to be so, unless they read the labels.  It's like a frog in a pot brought to a slow boil.  The changes happen incrementally, so as not to worry anyone in an immediate way.  

To top it all off, MSG used to be considered a bit of a curse.  But if you start taking a peek at the bag of chips or goldfish crackers, you'll realize it's making more than a comeback.  Autolyzed Yeast Extract is msg.  Yeast extract is msg.  

from wiki :
"MSG could spike blood plasma levels of glutamate.[8][9][10] Glutamic acid is in a class of chemicals known as excitotoxins, high levels of which have been shown in animal studies to cause damage to areas of the brain unprotected by the blood-brain barrier and that a variety of chronic diseases can arise out of this neurotoxicity."&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -3 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: short field, 1 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: author check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: empty field - author url, 1 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not just the subsidies but the geneticly modified material involved in those largest food crops.  Corn has been thoroughly adulturated and it&#8217;s progeny of corn starch into fructose syrups and dextrose means we&#8217;re exposing ourselves to a grand experiment. Corn took thousands of years of human selection to become what it is now and we think we can poke and prod it with tiny needles, bacterial and virii in order to alter it&#8217;s genetic code.  We think we can do so without consequence.  The same way we think we can control every symptom of disease with medicine, without incurring side effects.</p>
<p>What we are looking at is a thinning down of all true ingredients in order to create volume.  Most Peanut butter is full of partially hydrogenated vegetable oils where the peanuts used to be.  If it looks like the real stuff and smells like the real stuff then people imagine it to be so, unless they read the labels.  It&#8217;s like a frog in a pot brought to a slow boil.  The changes happen incrementally, so as not to worry anyone in an immediate way.  </p>
<p>To top it all off, MSG used to be considered a bit of a curse.  But if you start taking a peek at the bag of chips or goldfish crackers, you&#8217;ll realize it&#8217;s making more than a comeback.  Autolyzed Yeast Extract is msg.  Yeast extract is msg.  </p>
<p>from wiki :<br />
&#8220;MSG could spike blood plasma levels of glutamate.[8][9][10] Glutamic acid is in a class of chemicals known as excitotoxins, high levels of which have been shown in animal studies to cause damage to areas of the brain unprotected by the blood-brain barrier and that a variety of chronic diseases can arise out of this neurotoxicity.&#8221;<!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -3 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --><!-- X-spaminator-strike: short field, 1 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author check --><!-- X-spaminator-strike: empty field - author url, 1 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body -->
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		<title>by: Christine Taylor</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2007/05/arcane-agricultural-subsidies-and-world-domination#comment-16291</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 May 2007 17:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2007/05/arcane-agricultural-subsidies-and-world-domination#comment-16291</guid>
					<description>What an amazing article.

Thank you for it!!

PS: One is hard pressed to find a jar of 
spaghetti sause that does not contain added 
sugar as well. Luckily it's still relatively
easy to grow your own tomatoes and smash them
up in a bowl with some oregano (which grows
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What an amazing article.</p>
<p>Thank you for it!!</p>
<p>PS: One is hard pressed to find a jar of<br />
spaghetti sause that does not contain added<br />
sugar as well. Luckily it&#8217;s still relatively<br />
easy to grow your own tomatoes and smash them<br />
up in a bowl with some oregano (which grows<br />
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		<title>by: Matt H</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2007/05/arcane-agricultural-subsidies-and-world-domination#comment-16286</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 15:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2007/05/arcane-agricultural-subsidies-and-world-domination#comment-16286</guid>
					<description>subsides are involded in S&#38;D as well. as with all things popular, the government in america will do its best to "lubricate" the flow of those items (through subsidies) because they are in DEAMND. they must keep the SUPPLY avalible.

conversly, they will ignore the unpopular items.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>subsides are involded in S&amp;D as well. as with all things popular, the government in america will do its best to &#8220;lubricate&#8221; the flow of those items (through subsidies) because they are in DEAMND. they must keep the SUPPLY avalible.</p>
<p>conversly, they will ignore the unpopular items.</p>
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		<title>by: Matt H</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2007/05/arcane-agricultural-subsidies-and-world-domination#comment-16285</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 15:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2007/05/arcane-agricultural-subsidies-and-world-domination#comment-16285</guid>
					<description>This is a complicated issue, but one HUGE component of this complex web of policies (and so on) is supply and demand. This is the basis of the American economy and the foundation of the glorious system of raping the poor and underprivileged called "capitalism". If people don’t want it - it wont be sold. Period. That means that control of the market is in the hands of the moronic masses. that means that positive change is v-e-r-y s-l-o-w to come, if it comes at all!!!

It also means that a MINORITY of buyers in a market has little if any control over commodity selection, price, and origin.

long story short; when you say that unsubsidized food items are not in a lot of products, your stating the only rational outcome of a capitalist system and its not gonna’ change EVER. 

Does it suck - YES. 
Can we realistically hope to change it - NO FUCKIN' WAY!
Did we do this to ourselves - YES! Through inaction by the people, long before most of us were born today.

however as a person who grew up in a yuppie paradise (Royal Oak, Michigan) I can tell you that you DO have options for uber healthy foods that are priced so high no one but rich yuppie's can afford it on a regular basis! Whole Foods inc. for instance is a nation wide chain that has all the wheat grass smoothies and tofu turkey you can handle! 

So why complain? Its not gonna’ change until the “shit hits the fan” and it’s too late to go back. That is how America works.

I'd say this statement is 100% true; Americans are pigs, this is not debatable. 
We are the swine of swine; we throw away more food than we donate to starving people!

Our main concern as Americans is diversion - TV, sex, violence, and gluttony. As a nation we could care less about anything truly important. Our actions speak for us, no matter what we SAY we care about, what we DO do not reflect it.

Most people are more concernded about the show "Lost" or “American Idol” then the goddamn WAR, or the slow death of healthcare, or the fact that millions of young adults are FORCED to indebt themselves to become educated and "succeed" - whatever the fuck "succeed" means.

America is a nation of pacified fools, drooling as they stare into space.

America is like a morbidly obese person who can’t leave the house anymore because they are THAT HUGE! We have done every single detrimental thing to ourselves and we deserve to suffer the consequences. ONLY THEN will America change in a positive way. 

America needs a reality check, and it’s gonna’ kick our fucking teeth in when it arrives. Then you might* see positive change.&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -3 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: author check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: empty field - author url, 1 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a complicated issue, but one HUGE component of this complex web of policies (and so on) is supply and demand. This is the basis of the American economy and the foundation of the glorious system of raping the poor and underprivileged called &#8220;capitalism&#8221;. If people don’t want it - it wont be sold. Period. That means that control of the market is in the hands of the moronic masses. that means that positive change is v-e-r-y s-l-o-w to come, if it comes at all!!!</p>
<p>It also means that a MINORITY of buyers in a market has little if any control over commodity selection, price, and origin.</p>
<p>long story short; when you say that unsubsidized food items are not in a lot of products, your stating the only rational outcome of a capitalist system and its not gonna’ change EVER. </p>
<p>Does it suck - YES.<br />
Can we realistically hope to change it - NO FUCKIN&#8217; WAY!<br />
Did we do this to ourselves - YES! Through inaction by the people, long before most of us were born today.</p>
<p>however as a person who grew up in a yuppie paradise (Royal Oak, Michigan) I can tell you that you DO have options for uber healthy foods that are priced so high no one but rich yuppie&#8217;s can afford it on a regular basis! Whole Foods inc. for instance is a nation wide chain that has all the wheat grass smoothies and tofu turkey you can handle! </p>
<p>So why complain? Its not gonna’ change until the “shit hits the fan” and it’s too late to go back. That is how America works.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d say this statement is 100% true; Americans are pigs, this is not debatable.<br />
We are the swine of swine; we throw away more food than we donate to starving people!</p>
<p>Our main concern as Americans is diversion - TV, sex, violence, and gluttony. As a nation we could care less about anything truly important. Our actions speak for us, no matter what we SAY we care about, what we DO do not reflect it.</p>
<p>Most people are more concernded about the show &#8220;Lost&#8221; or “American Idol” then the goddamn WAR, or the slow death of healthcare, or the fact that millions of young adults are FORCED to indebt themselves to become educated and &#8220;succeed&#8221; - whatever the fuck &#8220;succeed&#8221; means.</p>
<p>America is a nation of pacified fools, drooling as they stare into space.</p>
<p>America is like a morbidly obese person who can’t leave the house anymore because they are THAT HUGE! We have done every single detrimental thing to ourselves and we deserve to suffer the consequences. ONLY THEN will America change in a positive way. </p>
<p>America needs a reality check, and it’s gonna’ kick our fucking teeth in when it arrives. Then you might* see positive change.<!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -3 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author check --><!-- X-spaminator-strike: empty field - author url, 1 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body -->
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		<title>by: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2007/05/arcane-agricultural-subsidies-and-world-domination#comment-16280</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 May 2007 06:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Um, to my knowledge carrot flour and broccoli syrup don't exist.  I was trying to make the point that processed extracts of subsidized crops end up in our food while the unsubsidized crops appear much less frequently, in either processed or unprocessed form.  I was also attempting to be funny, but I guess I blew that one.

Basically, your argument is that all Americans are identical to a caricature, and that there is no changing them from this image you made up.  You also seem to think that supply and demand are the only forces involved in food choice, ignoring the subsidies I wrote about in the first place, corporate collusion, billions of marketing dollars, governmental corruption, an incredible lack of coherent health education in this country, and a few dozen other factors.  It's all insanely complicated, and your analysis is "d00d, Americans are fat pigs cuz they like it!"&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -3 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: empty field - author url, 1 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um, to my knowledge carrot flour and broccoli syrup don&#8217;t exist.  I was trying to make the point that processed extracts of subsidized crops end up in our food while the unsubsidized crops appear much less frequently, in either processed or unprocessed form.  I was also attempting to be funny, but I guess I blew that one.</p>
<p>Basically, your argument is that all Americans are identical to a caricature, and that there is no changing them from this image you made up.  You also seem to think that supply and demand are the only forces involved in food choice, ignoring the subsidies I wrote about in the first place, corporate collusion, billions of marketing dollars, governmental corruption, an incredible lack of coherent health education in this country, and a few dozen other factors.  It&#8217;s all insanely complicated, and your analysis is &#8220;d00d, Americans are fat pigs cuz they like it!&#8221;<!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -3 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --><!-- X-spaminator-strike: empty field - author url, 1 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body -->
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		<title>by: Matt H</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2007/05/arcane-agricultural-subsidies-and-world-domination#comment-16278</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 15:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>* for the record hamburger helper is fucking good.&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -3 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: author check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: empty field - author url, 1 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>* for the record hamburger helper is fucking good.<!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -3 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author check --><!-- X-spaminator-strike: empty field - author url, 1 --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --><!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body -->
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		<title>by: Matt H</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2007/05/arcane-agricultural-subsidies-and-world-domination#comment-16277</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 15:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2007/05/arcane-agricultural-subsidies-and-world-domination#comment-16277</guid>
					<description>Someone needs a lesson in economics.

ECON 101: It’s called supply and demand.

America does not want carrot flower or broccoli syrup. In-fact I can’t even easily research WTF those ARE! If you Google them you cant even *easily find an explanation of what they are/how they are made. (It’s obvious to someone with reasoning ability but that’s not most Americans)

Obviously they would work just as well as food additives like HFCS, but America wants its coca-cola and other syrup-ie drinks, so that is the crop in the most demand. Its that simple. Unless we all suddenly decide as a nation to only drink wheat grass, I don’t see a change coming.

Obviously, these subsidies are something that major food processors most likely bribed/lobbied government officials to allow and that’s not cool. Then again that’s business as usual in the good ol' U-S-of-A and I don’t see it changing until we have passed "the point of no return" and can’t feed ourselves at all as a nation. Go ahead write your congressmen. I am shure he will understand and reply telling you the “government of the people” cavalry is on the way - to wage justice and the American way!

 *Cue trumpet fanfare

Farmers get subsidies for corn in particular because of the ethanol hoopla and how it’s the "salvation of America" (Never mind the fact that we don’t have enough farmland to even come close to supporting this nation's demand for fuel AND food).

The idea of us growing THE ENTIRITY of our food supply is just fucking crazy and it will never happen unless we all live off tofu and carrot flower . It’s just not realistic.

Americans do not want to sacrifice anything. EVER. (Esp. with food)

Is this ok? - NO.

Will America get what it deserves in the near future? - YES! 

:::Also:::

Obesity is a choice and so is your diet. No one forces a double whopper w/ bacon down someone’s throat, they CHOOSE to super size themselves. Why should we bother to tell people how to eat/live? It’s not our call. Nor should we change a damn thing in the nations food processing. YOU HAVE CHOICES PEOPLE!!!

LET THE FAT IDIOTS KILL THEMSELVES AS FAST AS POSSIBLE SO I DON’T HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR MEDICAL CARE THORUGH MEDICARE LATER!

You cant save everyone, or even a few. Just let people do what they do.&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: whitelist, -3 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: IP check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: email check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: author check --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-strike: empty field - author url, 1 --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: author url --&gt;&lt;!-- X-spaminator-passed: comment body --&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone needs a lesson in economics.</p>
<p>ECON 101: It’s called supply and demand.</p>
<p>America does not want carrot flower or broccoli syrup. In-fact I can’t even easily research WTF those ARE! If you Google them you cant even *easily find an explanation of what they are/how they are made. (It’s obvious to someone with reasoning ability but that’s not most Americans)</p>
<p>Obviously they would work just as well as food additives like HFCS, but America wants its coca-cola and other syrup-ie drinks, so that is the crop in the most demand. Its that simple. Unless we all suddenly decide as a nation to only drink wheat grass, I don’t see a change coming.</p>
<p>Obviously, these subsidies are something that major food processors most likely bribed/lobbied government officials to allow and that’s not cool. Then again that’s business as usual in the good ol&#8217; U-S-of-A and I don’t see it changing until we have passed &#8220;the point of no return&#8221; and can’t feed ourselves at all as a nation. Go ahead write your congressmen. I am shure he will understand and reply telling you the “government of the people” cavalry is on the way - to wage justice and the American way!</p>
<p> *Cue trumpet fanfare</p>
<p>Farmers get subsidies for corn in particular because of the ethanol hoopla and how it’s the &#8220;salvation of America&#8221; (Never mind the fact that we don’t have enough farmland to even come close to supporting this nation&#8217;s demand for fuel AND food).</p>
<p>The idea of us growing THE ENTIRITY of our food supply is just fucking crazy and it will never happen unless we all live off tofu and carrot flower . It’s just not realistic.</p>
<p>Americans do not want to sacrifice anything. EVER. (Esp. with food)</p>
<p>Is this ok? - NO.</p>
<p>Will America get what it deserves in the near future? - YES! </p>
<p>:::Also:::</p>
<p>Obesity is a choice and so is your diet. No one forces a double whopper w/ bacon down someone’s throat, they CHOOSE to super size themselves. Why should we bother to tell people how to eat/live? It’s not our call. Nor should we change a damn thing in the nations food processing. YOU HAVE CHOICES PEOPLE!!!</p>
<p>LET THE FAT IDIOTS KILL THEMSELVES AS FAST AS POSSIBLE SO I DON’T HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR MEDICAL CARE THORUGH MEDICARE LATER!</p>
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