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February 20, 2007

Skulls Without Doors or Windows

It is difficult to comprehend, but there are still plenty of folks who think that the US should remain fighting/occupying/getting killed in Iraq. And some of these same folks are outraged (or, in the case of pundits, pretend to be outraged) at the very idea of withdrawing troops. It’s like surrender! It’s like anti-war people want America to lose this war! It’s an insult to the memory of those who died fighting this war! It’s not Supporting Our Troops!

I’ve been trying to think of an argument that would convince these people that the US should pull out, and I’ve got one idea I kind of like.

“We’ve lost the war, so we may as well bring the soldiers back home.”

Granted, this won’t so much “convince” the pro-war peeps so much as make them go apoplectic, and fall into near-fatal convulsions of indignation. But once they regain consciousness and their faces return to a normal color, you may have successfully shifted the debate from nationalistic pride to the realities on the ground.

For support, check this column, “Victory Is Not an Option” by William Odom (former NSA head and member of the conservative Hudson Institute), in which he basically argues that while terrible things are going to happen in Iraq if the US leaves, that those same terrible things (and likely worse) will happen if the US stays. Odom was also interviewed by conservative fool Hugh Hewitt on Hewitt’s radio show, and Glenn Greenwald has highlighted portions here. Odom does a pretty good job of defusing conservative talking points. My favorite is when Hewitt tries to compare not invading Iran with the appeasement of Hitler, and Odom just dismantles the analogy and says that he’s “very disappointed” if Hewitt actually thinks the two situations are similar.

Posted by Jake on February 20, 2007 12:15 am


  1. Man, I still can’t figure out why so many Americans think we should be over there in the first place. What do people really think we’re doing? Do they really think this about freedom and democracy? Have they read ANY history???

    As days keep going by, it just blows me away that here we are involved in this war and it’s pretty much business as usual here in the States. Kinda like Rome when politicians kept the populous busy with the games so that they could go around doing as they pleased.

    I think that the Superbowl pretty much provides that function these days. Nobody really gives a shit about the fact that we’re at war, but watching 22 rich dudes chase a ball around for a couple of hours is CRUCIAL to life.

    I’m lost.

    Comment by ryan anderson — February 20, 2007 @ 8:12 pm

  2. good god its great to hear someone else say that!!!
    Americans are fucking morons as a nation.
    i can say this because i am one!

    we just want to be amused to death, and were gonna get exactly what we want/deserve.


    who’s ready for the apocolypse!!!!

    Comment by Matt — February 21, 2007 @ 2:17 pm

  3. meeeeeee!!!

    Comment by mr. Bush — February 21, 2007 @ 2:18 pm

  4. We’re not done killing brown people yet.

    Comment by Dude — February 23, 2007 @ 2:06 pm

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