Comments on: Journalists Under Fire http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire Muckraking. Media. Music. Menace. Sat, 05 Jul 2008 22:55:24 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.0.5 by: Alyssa http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15444 Thu, 14 Sep 2006 20:39:26 +0000 http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15444 I completely admire you're 'fuck unrealistic victimization attitude,' but out of many things that I've read, Jake's blog would probably be one of the later places I'd look at. I bet you give other people shit too, but the Tucker Max approach, while amusing in the frustration I'm sure it causes when people writing back to you is seen, probably gets a bit tired. I have the feeling that you don't believe half of what you write, but you're a badass devil's advocate. Anyway, Jake's neat. That's all. Now, call me out on pandering to an internet pop-culture audience for mentioning 'Tucker Max', and I'll ask you to do me. ~Alyssa I completely admire you’re ‘fuck unrealistic victimization attitude,’ but out of many things that I’ve read, Jake’s blog would probably be one of the later places I’d look at. I bet you give other people shit too, but the Tucker Max approach, while amusing in the frustration I’m sure it causes when people writing back to you is seen, probably gets a bit tired. I have the feeling that you don’t believe half of what you write, but you’re a badass devil’s advocate. Anyway, Jake’s neat. That’s all.

Now, call me out on pandering to an internet pop-culture audience for mentioning ‘Tucker Max’, and I’ll ask you to do me.

~Alyssa

]]> by: jeremy http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15442 Thu, 14 Sep 2006 16:12:53 +0000 http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15442 woah. so much hostility. but, kitkat has a point. you really do seem to enter these threads just to start trouble. as for engaging in serious debate, why don't you start us off with a discussion topic, instead of a rant. might i suggest the following, which is a much more civil re-framing of your comment: "As blogging has become more widespread, major media outlets are beginning to see the parallels between their own work and that of independent internet freelancers. As a result, it is not surprising to see them jumping to the aid of Josh Wolf, and I predict that such actions will be common in the future, leading to a symbiotic relationship between established and independent media outlets." woah. so much hostility.

but, kitkat has a point. you really do seem to enter these threads just to start trouble.

as for engaging in serious debate, why don’t you start us off with a discussion topic, instead of a rant. might i suggest the following, which is a much more civil re-framing of your comment:

“As blogging has become more widespread, major media outlets are beginning to see the parallels between their own work and that of independent internet freelancers. As a result, it is not surprising to see them jumping to the aid of Josh Wolf, and I predict that such actions will be common in the future, leading to a symbiotic relationship between established and independent media outlets.”

]]> by: kitkat http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15421 Mon, 11 Sep 2006 05:12:35 +0000 http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15421 oh, yeah, i forgot; i'm a bitch on heels who emasculates the men around me. yeah, i forgot about some of your "points". asking susan to marry you was something really worth responding to. as for this? i think you're wrong about josh wolf. i do think people should care about josh wolf, but not because he's a blogger (yawn). the government widely abuses federal grand juries and turns them into giant fishing expeditions to gather and collect as much evidence about as many things as possible. for instance, if you receive a subpoena to a federal grand jury you have no right to have a lawyer present. you also do not have the right to take the 5th ammendment. the prosecuation may offer you immunity, which means nothing, because that only means your actual words cannot be used as evidence against you. (e.g. you say, "i buried the treasure at x." the police find treasure at x. you can still be convicted of stealing the treasure, they just can't use the words, "i buried the treasure at x.") furthermore, you can be jailed for the entire duration of the grand jury in a measure to "coerce" you in testifying, and if another grand jury is called for the same crime, you can expect to sit in jail again, and again. this is a huge violation of civil liberties, and taking into account that josh is a reporter (independent or not), the idea that any media person on the street can effectively become an agent of law enforcement is something average and ordinary people should care about. anyway, i'm not sure what kind of "consistent opinion" jake is lacking and frankly, why do you even care? jake's powers of influencing public opinion are pretty small; maybe you should take some of your bullshit over to ann coulter or some other right wing asshole you proud libertarian democrat you. oh, yeah, i forgot; i’m a bitch on heels who emasculates the men around me.

yeah, i forgot about some of your “points”. asking susan to marry you was something really worth responding to.

as for this? i think you’re wrong about josh wolf. i do think people should care about josh wolf, but not because he’s a blogger (yawn). the government widely abuses federal grand juries and turns them into giant fishing expeditions to gather and collect as much evidence about as many things as possible. for instance, if you receive a subpoena to a federal grand jury you have no right to have a lawyer present. you also do not have the right to take the 5th ammendment. the prosecuation may offer you immunity, which means nothing, because that only means your actual words cannot be used as evidence against you. (e.g. you say, “i buried the treasure at x.” the police find treasure at x. you can still be convicted of stealing the treasure, they just can’t use the words, “i buried the treasure at x.”)

furthermore, you can be jailed for the entire duration of the grand jury in a measure to “coerce” you in testifying, and if another grand jury is called for the same crime, you can expect to sit in jail again, and again.

this is a huge violation of civil liberties, and taking into account that josh is a reporter (independent or not), the idea that any media person on the street can effectively become an agent of law enforcement is something average and ordinary people should care about.

anyway, i’m not sure what kind of “consistent opinion” jake is lacking and frankly, why do you even care? jake’s powers of influencing public opinion are pretty small; maybe you should take some of your bullshit over to ann coulter or some other right wing asshole you proud libertarian democrat you.

]]> by: LMB Zombie http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15420 Mon, 11 Sep 2006 00:11:03 +0000 http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15420 He hasn't had a consistent opinion on anything for years. "Liberal commie pinko"...are we in a time warp? You didn't say anything about my point, just bitch and moan. Argue a point. Do we spend headline space on individuals or on the important stuff...as Jake has so vehemently argued? You can't have it both ways. Asking someone to stand by their words is not being hostile. I am one of the libertarian democrats, the few the proud. Try displaying some intellectual curiosity and engage in an actual debate instead of holding Jake's hand like you're his mommy. He hasn’t had a consistent opinion on anything for years. “Liberal commie pinko”…are we in a time warp? You didn’t say anything about my point, just bitch and moan. Argue a point. Do we spend headline space on individuals or on the important stuff…as Jake has so vehemently argued? You can’t have it both ways. Asking someone to stand by their words is not being hostile. I am one of the libertarian democrats, the few the proud. Try displaying some intellectual curiosity and engage in an actual debate instead of holding Jake’s hand like you’re his mommy.

]]> by: kitkat http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15419 Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:12:58 +0000 http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15419 what's your fucking deal brendan? why so hostile? did jake's liberal commie pinko blog threaten you? is that why you've wrapped yourself in a nice comforting blanket of reactionary asshole? or are you a fucking coward? 'cause i've seen you allude to the fact that you know jake, and his brother. i'm damn sure you wouldn't act like such a piece of shit to either of them in person. get a fucking grip on yourself and stop being a troll. what’s your fucking deal brendan? why so hostile?

did jake’s liberal commie pinko blog threaten you? is that why you’ve wrapped yourself in a nice comforting blanket of reactionary asshole?

or are you a fucking coward? ’cause i’ve seen you allude to the fact that you know jake, and his brother. i’m damn sure you wouldn’t act like such a piece of shit to either of them in person. get a fucking grip on yourself and stop being a troll.

]]> by: LMB Zombie http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15412 Sat, 09 Sep 2006 23:09:27 +0000 http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15412 This is covered in CNET news, SF WEEKLY, San Francisco Chronicle, Time Magazine, I could go on. According to Jake we shouldn't give a shit about one guy. There are wars, natural disasters, and disease out there which should be taking up the precious headline space, not one guy with some legal issues. This is covered in CNET news, SF WEEKLY, San Francisco Chronicle, Time Magazine, I could go on. According to Jake we shouldn’t give a shit about one guy. There are wars, natural disasters, and disease out there which should be taking up the precious headline space, not one guy with some legal issues.

]]> by: Alyssa http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15410 Sat, 09 Sep 2006 19:25:16 +0000 http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15410 Woah man, it surprises me, and I'm no blogger. It's like Jake said, bloggers aren't always taken as professional. Sometimes for good reasons, and sometimes for reasons like: it doesn't have a mainstream title attached to it. And, since the guy who was sent to prison was independent, what do many people have to gain from helping him out? They already have people like Judith Miller to crowd around if they want better known examples of this.. ~Alyssa Woah man, it surprises me, and I’m no blogger. It’s like Jake said, bloggers aren’t always taken as professional. Sometimes for good reasons, and sometimes for reasons like: it doesn’t have a mainstream title attached to it. And, since the guy who was sent to prison was independent, what do many people have to gain from helping him out? They already have people like Judith Miller to crowd around if they want better known examples of this..

~Alyssa

]]> by: LMB Zombie http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15406 Sat, 09 Sep 2006 14:14:32 +0000 http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/09/journalists-under-fire#comment-15406 Seriously? You are saying it is surprising that "mainstream" reporters are against the jailing of a man for taking video in public. I'm so sick of this martyrdom complex people like you have. As if bloggers are some class of persecuted heroes. Seriously? You are saying it is surprising that “mainstream” reporters are against the jailing of a man for taking video in public. I’m so sick of this martyrdom complex people like you have. As if bloggers are some class of persecuted heroes.

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