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	<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/08/dirty-laundry</link>
	<description>Muckraking.  Media.  Music.  Menace.</description>
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		<title>by: yawn</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/08/dirty-laundry#comment-15351</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Sep 2006 11:02:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You know what? I just read the web site that the word sleazy in your post hyperlinks to - &lt;a href="http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php?p=77"&gt;Jewlicious&lt;/a&gt; actually argues that Dov Charney is a pretty good guy. Jewlicious started off kinda ridiculing Charney and then turned around after doing some research and totally changed their minds. Imagine that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know what? I just read the web site that the word sleazy in your post hyperlinks to - <a href="http://www.jewlicious.com/index.php?p=77">Jewlicious</a> actually argues that Dov Charney is a pretty good guy. Jewlicious started off kinda ridiculing Charney and then turned around after doing some research and totally changed their minds. Imagine that!
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		<title>by: Ganapati</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/08/dirty-laundry#comment-15326</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Sep 2006 15:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>For another interesting discussion, see the Clamor blog. Unfortunately, I don't get paid to post to blogs and challenge nasty corporate PR folks so it would be nice to continue this conversation in one central location.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For another interesting discussion, see the Clamor blog. Unfortunately, I don&#8217;t get paid to post to blogs and challenge nasty corporate PR folks so it would be nice to continue this conversation in one central location.
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		<title>by: Weronika Cwir</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/08/dirty-laundry#comment-15323</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 19:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Another commenter asked me by an unrelated incident that happened before I started working at AA, and I offered my explanation, that's all.  And it is true, Dov Charney swears like a sailor.  He makes up inventive and absurd and rude stuff and injects it into conversation.  I find it funny.  He finds it funny too, and he can take it like he dishes it out.  If you want to discuss this more, e-mail me at weronika@amerincanapparel.net -- it has nothing to do with this thread, which is about Clamor and AA.  Clamor did not even communicate with Dov.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another commenter asked me by an unrelated incident that happened before I started working at AA, and I offered my explanation, that&#8217;s all.  And it is true, Dov Charney swears like a sailor.  He makes up inventive and absurd and rude stuff and injects it into conversation.  I find it funny.  He finds it funny too, and he can take it like he dishes it out.  If you want to discuss this more, e-mail me at <a href="mailto:weronika@amerincanapparel.net">weronika@amerincanapparel.net</a> &#8212; it has nothing to do with this thread, which is about Clamor and AA.  Clamor did not even communicate with Dov.
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		<title>by: John</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/08/dirty-laundry#comment-15322</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Sep 2006 17:20:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/08/dirty-laundry#comment-15322</guid>
					<description>So I read the thread to the link you posted, and you said this.

&lt;i&gt;As for the phonecall, all I can do is speculate, and if it came from Dov Charney, it is possible that it said something obscene and dangerous-sounding. I have had him threaten me with “cutting off my penis and fucking my wife” (and I am a woman!) for failing to re-schedule one of his appointments. What can I say? He can say bizzare stuff when you push a button. I find it hillarious, but that’s because I know him; other’s might find it uncomfortable.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;i&gt;

What the hell?&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I read the thread to the link you posted, and you said this.</p>
<p><i>As for the phonecall, all I can do is speculate, and if it came from Dov Charney, it is possible that it said something obscene and dangerous-sounding. I have had him threaten me with “cutting off my penis and fucking my wife” (and I am a woman!) for failing to re-schedule one of his appointments. What can I say? He can say bizzare stuff when you push a button. I find it hillarious, but that’s because I know him; other’s might find it uncomfortable.</i><i></p>
<p>What the hell?</i>
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		<title>by: Weronika Cwir</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/08/dirty-laundry#comment-15243</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:56:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Fair enough, Jake, if you assume that Clamor writers are journalists and I am a flack, then, prima facie, their version of events is correct and mine is spin.

Though I think that their censure of my comments on their blog undermines their credibility as journalists.  At least a tad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, Jake, if you assume that Clamor writers are journalists and I am a flack, then, prima facie, their version of events is correct and mine is spin.</p>
<p>Though I think that their censure of my comments on their blog undermines their credibility as journalists.  At least a tad.
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		<title>by: Jake</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/08/dirty-laundry#comment-15207</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 06:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Clamor says that they stand by the story as-is.  Which means that we believe you, Weronika, or we believe them.  And as you are part of the American Apparel PR department, your credibility is a tad suspect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clamor says that they stand by the story as-is.  Which means that we believe you, Weronika, or we believe them.  And as you are part of the American Apparel PR department, your credibility is a tad suspect.
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		<title>by: Weronika Cwir</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/08/dirty-laundry#comment-15192</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/08/dirty-laundry#comment-15192</guid>
					<description>Hey, you know what else is really funny?

I work on the media team at American Apparel, and Clamor it dragging it's feet on approving my comment with a simplified and abbreviated explanation of factual errors in their "expose."  We sent an expanded version to Clamor editors on Thursay, but they haven't done anything about it yet, and their blog readers wanted to see what the hooply was about, so I tried to post this (fragment -- for whole thread go &lt;a href="http://clamormagazine.org/blog/archives/fall-issue-sneak-preview/" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;)

Union Drive:

Clamor’s assertion that that American Apparel “denied the union access or neutrality at the factory” is false. In fact, Dov Charney refused to impose the unionization, but he told UNITE representatives that he would not stand in the way of holding elections on the issue. He invited UNITE to pick a date on which to hold elections, and to choose whatever third-party monior UNITE wanted to monitor the elections. UNITE chose not to hold elections.
National Labor Relations Board found no wrongdoing by Dov Charney or American Apparel’s management in the matter of the unfair labor practices claim filed by UNITE against American Apparel.

Sexual Harrasment Allegations:

Clamor talks about the sexual harassment lawsuits that have been filed against Dov Charney, but ignores the fact that two of those lawsuits have been dismissed by the plaintiffs with prejudice and without any finding of liability by Charney or anyone else at American Apparel. In addition, none of the lawsuits allege that Charney engaged in a sexual relationship or that he inappropriately fondled any of the plaintiffs involved.

Other:

The statetement that American Apparel possesses a textile factory “straight out of the ’40s” is false. The building where most manufacturing happens was built in 1920, and was adapted by American Apparel to house a very up-to-date garment factory.

Clamor improperly attributes to Charney the statement that most domesticated violence is initiated by women.

Clamor reported that American Apparel only used the term “Sweatshop Free” after Sweat X opened. This is false.

The statement that “Cynthia Semon of the media-relations desk at American Apparel was contacted for this article and initially replied, but was unresponsive to questions poses” is flatly untrue. One of the writers sent Cynthia two e-mails. She responded to the first one with her own full contact information and a request that the writer provide full contact information for himself. The writer replied with his first name only, and when Cynthia failed to see anyone by that name mentioned on Clamor’s website she assumed the e-mail was a prank and took no further action. Clamor made no further effort to contact Cynthia, or any other American Apparel employee who deals with media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, you know what else is really funny?</p>
<p>I work on the media team at American Apparel, and Clamor it dragging it&#8217;s feet on approving my comment with a simplified and abbreviated explanation of factual errors in their &#8220;expose.&#8221;  We sent an expanded version to Clamor editors on Thursay, but they haven&#8217;t done anything about it yet, and their blog readers wanted to see what the hooply was about, so I tried to post this (fragment &#8212; for whole thread go <a href="http://clamormagazine.org/blog/archives/fall-issue-sneak-preview/" rel="nofollow">here</a>)</p>
<p>Union Drive:</p>
<p>Clamor’s assertion that that American Apparel “denied the union access or neutrality at the factory” is false. In fact, Dov Charney refused to impose the unionization, but he told UNITE representatives that he would not stand in the way of holding elections on the issue. He invited UNITE to pick a date on which to hold elections, and to choose whatever third-party monior UNITE wanted to monitor the elections. UNITE chose not to hold elections.<br />
National Labor Relations Board found no wrongdoing by Dov Charney or American Apparel’s management in the matter of the unfair labor practices claim filed by UNITE against American Apparel.</p>
<p>Sexual Harrasment Allegations:</p>
<p>Clamor talks about the sexual harassment lawsuits that have been filed against Dov Charney, but ignores the fact that two of those lawsuits have been dismissed by the plaintiffs with prejudice and without any finding of liability by Charney or anyone else at American Apparel. In addition, none of the lawsuits allege that Charney engaged in a sexual relationship or that he inappropriately fondled any of the plaintiffs involved.</p>
<p>Other:</p>
<p>The statetement that American Apparel possesses a textile factory “straight out of the ’40s” is false. The building where most manufacturing happens was built in 1920, and was adapted by American Apparel to house a very up-to-date garment factory.</p>
<p>Clamor improperly attributes to Charney the statement that most domesticated violence is initiated by women.</p>
<p>Clamor reported that American Apparel only used the term “Sweatshop Free” after Sweat X opened. This is false.</p>
<p>The statement that “Cynthia Semon of the media-relations desk at American Apparel was contacted for this article and initially replied, but was unresponsive to questions poses” is flatly untrue. One of the writers sent Cynthia two e-mails. She responded to the first one with her own full contact information and a request that the writer provide full contact information for himself. The writer replied with his first name only, and when Cynthia failed to see anyone by that name mentioned on Clamor’s website she assumed the e-mail was a prank and took no further action. Clamor made no further effort to contact Cynthia, or any other American Apparel employee who deals with media.
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		<title>by: yawn</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/08/dirty-laundry#comment-15104</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Aug 2006 07:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>know what else is funny? clamor has been clamoring for a year to get American Apparel to advertise with them. After getting rejected over and over again, that's when they decided to produce their anti-AA screed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>know what else is funny? clamor has been clamoring for a year to get American Apparel to advertise with them. After getting rejected over and over again, that&#8217;s when they decided to produce their anti-AA screed.
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		<title>by: Lindsay</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/08/dirty-laundry#comment-15000</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Aug 2006 13:15:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ha! Wanna know what's funny? Clamor's T-shirts are printed on - what else? American Apparel! &lt;a href="http://www.clamormagazine.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&#38;Product_Code=1CLAMORRAIDER&#38;Category_Code=CLOTHING&#38;Store_Code=BTM" rel="nofollow"&gt;example&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha! Wanna know what&#8217;s funny? Clamor&#8217;s T-shirts are printed on - what else? American Apparel! <a href="http://www.clamormagazine.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&amp;Product_Code=1CLAMORRAIDER&amp;Category_Code=CLOTHING&amp;Store_Code=BTM" rel="nofollow">example</a>
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		<title>by: yawn</title>
		<link>http://www.lyingmediabastards.com/2006/08/dirty-laundry#comment-14844</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well at least knowmore's report is somewhat even handed. There's a full range of info available there. Clamor's article seemed like window dressing, an excuse to produce oh so clever (not) parody ads. Dude's, that shit was on flickr last year. And it was better shot and far more clever. So forget being spoon fed by Clamor. Go to Knowmore and make up your own mind. BTW, I get my AA shirts from the factory for under $4 a pop. Nice try some guy. You are sooo presumptuous!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well at least knowmore&#8217;s report is somewhat even handed. There&#8217;s a full range of info available there. Clamor&#8217;s article seemed like window dressing, an excuse to produce oh so clever (not) parody ads. Dude&#8217;s, that shit was on flickr last year. And it was better shot and far more clever. So forget being spoon fed by Clamor. Go to Knowmore and make up your own mind. BTW, I get my AA shirts from the factory for under $4 a pop. Nice try some guy. You are sooo presumptuous!
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